Interview with Drunvalo
Marie spoke with Drunvalo at the January 2007, Earth-Sky / Living in the Heart workshop in Washington DC.
Marie: During our last interview some time ago, you did not seem as optimistic about what is happening in the world as you are today. What has changed?
Drunvalo: I know we are going to make it because I have been allowed to see into the future. However, even though I optimistically say "we make it" we are still going to pass through this little "eye of the needle" where it is going to look like it is hopeless. And they [my guides] wouldn't let me see what this was - but something happens and what looks so hopeless turns around very quickly.
Marie: Is it like the three days of darkness that we used to talk about?
Drunvalo: No, this doesn't have anything to do with that. It looks as if the outer environment we live in will completely and totally die, as well as everything in it. We are going to come to that stage. So it is going to look hopeless. My angels didn't show me that part of it. All they would say is that you are going to witness in your life a place where it looks like it is just over. Then this "thing" is going to happen. And the world situation is going to be quickly and completely turned around.
Marie: In the workshop you spoke about "waves" of people who will die. Can you explain what you were talking about?
Drunvalo: The waves are spoken about in Native American prophecy. There was an American Indian from a long time ago that was allowed to go to all the various tribes and secret societies (the Grandmother societies) and to collect and write down the prophecies from these tribes to find out what they had in common.
He found one thread which ran through all the prophecies which talks about the time which is approaching. There are three waves of people on the earth who are said to die in a very short amount of time. I don't know what that is about exactly, but when I was reading about it, it felt like it occurs in about 10 days time. Something very quick - something VERY BIG happens and kills an enormous number of people.
Outwardly it looks horrible. It could be Atomic war, the bird flu or who knows what. Outwardly, to the survivors, it looks like a catastrophe, but inwardly the people who leave this way have planned it. They want to leave, and they want to leave together. When they collect over the top of the earth, the first wave goes to a specific place in time/space dimension so they can be with their own kind. Because they are not really in tune with the Earth they can be in harmony together (elsewhere).
Then it is said that there is another bigger change coming with another wave of people leaving the planet. Again this is by choice on the inner levels - not a kind of suicide - but on the inner these people know something is about to occur and they come together in order to go to another place in space time.
In the third wave, a massive amount of people die. This group called "hitchhikers" in the prophecies doesn't know where their home is so they leave, looking for that place and eventually they do find their home.
After these waves pass there are only millions (not billions) of people left in the world - a much smaller number. The people that are left over will come together in one heart according to Native American prophecy - they become as one living being.
Regardless of race or religion, all the divisions are dropped and the remaining people become as one family. Then, with this new found higher consciousness, those that are left take the earth and they fly it - as if the earth is turned into a space ship which is flown to a new place, and a beautiful new way of living emerges on earth.
Marie: So the actual earth is used as a space ship... so do you mean that Mother Earth is going to clean herself in this process?
Drunvalo: Yes, everything is solved. We totally fix everything through pure Consciousness, not through technology or anything like that but through our very being. From a Melchizedek point of view, we actually change orbit.
Marie: In our last interview you said that we move into a parallel earth and then another parallel earth, and so forth. Has this theory changed or evolved?
Drunvalo: All I am saying is this is a Native American prophecy. The Melchizedeks believe there is more to this - a lot more. But the idea with the Native American prophecy is that most of the people are going to die and leave the earth and go somewhere else. This may very well happen - I just don't know for sure. I am just saying that many tribes have this in common.
Marie: But hearing you this week, it feels like humanity (we) will be "going home"...
Drunvalo: Oh, yes, because after that, we leave the earth altogether. There comes a point where we completely leave the earth, we transcend it, we go into another level of existence and that is the beginning of a very rapid, but very long journey. And we end up completely beyond the stars and planets. We end up existing in another way and in another octave of existence.
Marie: Do we leave with our body?
Drunvalo: Initially we do. We leave with our body and then our body mutates into something that would look more like an ET. After that we become Everything. But that is only the beginning of the journey.
Marie: That's exciting! That is what Barbara Marx Hubbard is talking about in her new DVD "Humanity Ascending". We can't keep going on in the way we are today. It is sick.
You mentioned that in the case of the end-of-the-world prophecies of August 99, that they were wrong for the first time. I was wondering ... since everyone seems to be saying that something is happening "soon, soon, soon", do you feel this [end-of-the-world scenario] will be happening before February 2013?
Drunvalo: Yes, and for many South American tribes, there is even a prophecy about this year - 2007. I don't want to say what that prophecy - I'll let them say it - but there are many indigenous tribes expecting much change to take place this year. So I think between now and 2013 we will be going through a lot of transformation.
Marie: I personally watch the galactic center and Pluto at 29 degrees Sagittarius so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens around those dates (12/28/07). So are you saying there may be several stages, you know like Phase I, Phase II, Phase III?
Drunvalo: It does go in stages. It isn't something that goes like that (Druvalo snaps his fingers). You never see a plant grow from a seed to a big tree instantly. Life always moves in segments though sometimes those segments can be pretty big and sometimes very violent. But the primary thing I hope people will realize is that they will be fine. The most important thing right now that I can see is to find the sacred place in the heart.
If you can remember the ancient way of living and get into that sacred place, and just sit and watch all of this like a movie and not have to be concerned in any way at all. Remember Mother Earth knows who these people are that are going to become the one heart. Really the better way to say it is one lotus. This place in the heart has always been referred to as the lotus. And when you find your way there, Mother Earth will completely take care of you and protect you and provide everything for you. Even though everything outside seems to be insane, it will be miraculous.
Marie: How can we best prepare?
Drunvalo: I don't think anybody can prepare on a physical level. It isn't possible to prepare for what is about to happen. You see, nobody knows. The preparation is inside of you. That's the primary place.
Have you read about what the Pentagon says is going to happen? The Pentagon gives us one to three years left of normal life on this planet. That's their guess. Everybody's guessing. No expert on this planet can tell you what's going to happen, or exactly when. In the last 250 million years, we only have two examples we can understand to see what is going to happen.
You have all the ocean currents of the world slowing down, and definitely the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic Ocean appears to be stopping. The last time it slowed down was in the 1300s, and it did exactly what it is starting to do now - crazy weather - hot/cold, dry/wet. In the 1400s, especially the West went through a period where there were 47 years without a drop of rain. Every river, every lake, and every tree burned to the ground. And that's why the Anasazi had to leave. They couldn't live there. This is all on record. And the East became extremely cold. If you look at George Washington crossing the Delaware, there are blocks of ice floating in the river, recorded in paintings of this scene.
We think that our weather has always been this way. But this weather has only been this way since 1850. It took 550 years for the weather to come back to the way it is now. Okay. I could go into great detail and spend hours on that subject, but that's being pretty much what is projected down the road. Or folks could look on the Spirit of Ma'at website and read about Dry/Ice: Global Warming Revealed.
Now you have Al Gores movie "An Inconvenient Truth", whom I find very optimistic, as he gives us ten years. But I don't know a single scientist on the planet who gives us ten years or anybody else who gives us that long.
What the Pentagon talks about is the rapid changes in climate, making it impossible to live in certain areas. Exactly where those areas are, they don't know. All they can do is go back to those last two times in history and see what happened. But will it be the same? Maybe - maybe not. What they do know is that there will be areas that will be uninhabitable. The time before last, where it stopped, which is what we think it is doing now, the place which is now New York City was uninhabitable. It went under about a mile of ice. You can't live under a mile of ice. It's just not possible. In fact, Norway, Denmark and Sweden went under ice and the Pentagon's predicting that they'll also be under a half mile of ice soon.
Marie: Does very soon mean within three years?
Drunvalo: It will begin soon. There will probably be a constant storm that never goes away - a time where it is winter, all the time. So, people will have to leave that area. It is the migration patterns that the Pentagon is mostly worried about. Because you are going to have billions of people forced to leave from where they are and will have to try to survive somewhere else. This causes everything to collapse. No more food in the grocery stores - the economy collapses, etc. You can't grow food when this begins, because there's no beginning and ending to the growing seasons. Plants go crazy, and food then becomes one of the most important commodities.
Marie: So a solution may be to learn how to breathe and stop eating?
Drunvalo: It is a good stepping stone. There is a book in Germany, published by my new publisher showing how in 9 days you can learn to go without food and water. You totally get your nutrients from the prana and air so you can live completely without anything.
Yogananda is about to demonstrate that to the world. Everyone thinks he is dead. He's not dead. When Yogananda "died" in the 1950s, all of his bodily functions stopped. After 20 days, according to mortuary officials, his body appeared completely normal, but he wasn't breathing, no heart beat, nothing. At some point he's going to wake up and say, See? I've been sleeping for 50 something years with no food, no water, nothing and I am fine. That's Kriya yoga. That's the effect of working with the devas and light energy of Mother Earth. That's our God-given right though most people don't seem to believe this.
Marie: During your workshop we learned about getting out of our mind and into our heart and operating from the sacred place in the heart. You explained how the mind works in duality and while existing in the heart, we just "are" [pure being]. If all the participants of your workshops practiced your heart meditation, would this energy expand exponentially, helping all of us to eliminate fear and transition smoothly?
Drunvalo: It will help get rid of fear but that is not exactly how it works.
Mother Earth is changing the world. She is in control now, so we don't have to do anything but just be of service. If she says to do something, okay we do it, and if she doesn't, then we can relax. We've won the game, everything is almost in place. Everything is in balance. There are things to do, but they will be taken care of ... We just have to keep moving. But a time is coming when sitting in a restaurant like this is going to be a memory. We won't be able to do this and the most important thing I'm concerned about in this time is that good light workers don't go into fear and think "oh, it is all over". No, it is just beginning. Stay out of fear and just believe in the presence of God. We will probably lose a few people during that time, because if you go into fear then it is over.
When everything starts breaking down, the Taos Indians say, go into your house, and pull the drapes so you don't see all the craziness going on, which could cause fear. And just stay in your heart and let Mother Earth and all the energies that you are intimately part of do their job and stay in trust. It is easy to say and harder to do. It is just like when you get cancer or something like that and people are told that they are going to die, and then they get really worried. But we are immortal. We've always been alive and we are going to get through this one. Remember it is a time of transition. Transitions always get crazy. Stay out of fear and be in the presence of God.
I'm staying with Earth. Where we are going as a planet is where I came from. That's why I was sent here, because there had to be a memory connection to it. So now, the ascended masters have made their way back to that place. Some of them HAVE come back here, so humanity has already got the path and the understanding. It is already in us. It is in who we are. It is in our very DNA at this point.
Marie: I was fascinated by your sharing about the [earth's kundalini] energy moving out of Tibet. Then being stuck at the Panama Canal for a while and finally released - thanks to the help of hundreds of tribes five years ago - and reaching Peru and Chile. Can you tell us more please - especially about the White Pyramid?
Drunvalo: There was a White Pyramid in Tibet which the explorers have found. There was also one before that in Atlantis. Now the energy has moved to Chile. Somebody will physically build one there because it will become the most important place in the world.
Marie: So when was the energy released from Panama?
Drunvalo: It was September 2001, right about 9/11. But it took a longer period of time for it to reach South America, so it was sometime in mid-2002 when it actually arrived in Chile. There were 112 tribes forming a circle waiting for the energy. Since 2002, everything has been completed. I'm writing a book about this now - so all these stories and everything around this whole subject will be coming out in print soon.
Marie: Can you then talk about your next book?
Drunvalo: The book is about the Kundalini of the Earth, its movement and everything that has happened with the indigenous tribes and the ceremonies relative to this new energy. It is a story of hope and inspiration because this is a very POSITIVE EVENT that is taking place. This is also a story of inspiration for the female because it is a story about the change of energies moving from the male to the female.
Marie: On a last note, could you comment about Mikael Zayat's new oils - the Archangel Series?
Drunvalo: I did not try them all but I really like the oils called Archangel Metatron, and also Archangel Michael and Mary Magdalen. Divine Feminine and Fearless have a nice aroma.
If you are drawn to something, then that is good for you. But you know me, I like all the Mikael Zayat oils. I like also crystals, but somewhere down the line, we need to come to realize that the human body has everything all by itself. We don't even need food.
You will reach a point when you don't need all this. You will just stay in your heart and just BE.
Marie: Thank You so much Drunvalo.